[Mac_crypto] Re: <nettime> PlayFair > Sarovar

[R. A. Hettinga]

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:13:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: proclus@gnu-darwin.org
Subject: Re: <nettime> PlayFair  > Sarovar
To: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>,
	gnu-darwin-distribution@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: mac_crypto@vmeng.com, cryptography@metzdowd.com,
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The GNU-Darwin Distribution is taking a stand against what Apple has
done, and we have blackened our website so that people will take notice.

http://www.gnu-darwin.org/

MacNN is also running a story about it, and it is interesting that
Apple has sometimes used the DMCA to threaten them as well.

http://www.macnn.com/news/24175

There are some discussion threads about it, although most messages are
still in the queue and not yet visible.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=6042

Here is a link to the original post.

http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=367147

Regards,
proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/


On 12 Apr, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
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> To: nettime <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
> From: kevin lahoda <up@treerunner.com>
> Subject: <nettime> PlayFair  > Sarovar
> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:51:11 -0400
> Sender: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net
> Reply-To: kevin lahoda <up@treerunner.com>
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> Sarovar.org is India's first portal to host projects under Free/Open
> source licenses. It is located in Trivandrum, India and hosted at Asianet
> data center. Sarovar.org is customised, installed and maintained by
> Linuxense as part of their community services and sponsored by River
> Valley Technologies.
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>  From Sarovar's < http://sarovar.org/ > Latest News: "After a short
> "vacation" thanks to a Cease and Desist letter from Apple, we're back
> online. Many thanks to Sarovar for hosting us..  -PlayFair "
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> Sarovar now hosts The PlayFair project < http://playfair.sarovar.org/ >
> which SourceForge has declined in order to avoid tangling with Apple's
> decision to go DMCA on their ass <
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1554203 >. Like something from
> a Gibson novel, I wouldn't doubt if Sarovar rises to meet more than
> another of these occasions in the near future.
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> And so, we have more contentious open source code hosted outside of the US
> in order to circumvent unfavorable legal processes.
>
> Offtshoring in itself is not all that new (another example: <
> http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/honeyd/ >). Here is how this one gets
> interesting:  A big guy - Apple, goes a little sour, another (kind of) big
> guy - SourceForge, takes the easy route, and then an offshore repository
> stands in.
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> With all of this, one thing that should not be ignored is that SourceForge
> should be shamed for not holding itself stronger. In a way SourceForge's
> decline of PlayFair and non-usage of the Safe Harbor Provision Act <
> http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/ > is an admit of defeat and a
> failure to stand up for one's (community's) rights.
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> What comes out of this?
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> Well, maybe Apple wins because they avoid a chance of being tarnished.
> Imagine what consumer level acknowledgment of the reality of Apple
> marketing a clean yet gritty 'Garage Band' motif (with all that punk rock
> implies) while at the same time sleeping with DRM, recently RIAA, and now
> DMCA, could entail... One can easily see that Apple is dancing itself into
> a bit of a gamble. But then again, what does an Ipod zombie care about
> these acronyms anyway?
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> What does SourceForge get? Not much. This only makes it easier for them to
> weasle out of the next situation that comes up. Not to mention they also
> missed a good chance to join PlayFair in telling Apple what's what.
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> k
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> http://sarovar.org/ http://sarovar.org/projects/playfair/
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1554203
> http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/
> http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/honeyd/
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/playfair_dmca_takedown/
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